‘Lucifer’: Tom Ellis on the Final Episodes of Season 5, Being Friends With Debbie Gibson, and Saying Goodbye

Within the second half of Season 5 of the Netflix collection Lucifer, God (Dennis Haysbert) himself has come to Earth, forcing Lucifer Morningstar (Tom Ellis), his twin brother Michael (additionally Ellis) and Amenadiel (D.B. Woodside) to cope with what meaning and kind out their daddy points. As secrets and techniques are revealed, sacrifices are made and Lucifer and Michael find yourself on a collision course that can pressure everybody to decide on a facet.

Throughout this 1-on-1 interview with Collider, Ellis talked about how the tip of the collection remains to be sinking in (they’ve already wrapped on the sixth and remaining season), the unbelievable number of issues this character has allowed him to do, how the sudden Season 6 pick-up previous to the tip of Season 5 modified issues, how a lot enjoyable he had doing the musical episode, the tune he personally requested attending to sing, the Lucifer-Chloe relationship, the humorous prop he took dwelling from the set, the problem of ending capturing throughout a pandemic, and his hope that they caught the touchdown on the collection finale.

[Editor’s word: The next comprises spoilers by way of the Season 5 finale of Lucifer, “A Probability at a Comfortable Ending.”]

Collider: What has been the toughest half about saying goodbye to not solely this forged and crew, however to this character? After so a few years taking part in a personality, did he change into like a buddy that you simply needed to go away behind?

TOM ELLIS: Completely. I believe it’s nonetheless sinking in, for the time being. It’s a little bit of a troublesome one. It additionally looks like I haven’t left it but as a result of I’m clearly speaking about it now and Season 6 hasn’t come out but. It nonetheless feels alive, in that sense. However from a piece standpoint, I’m totally conscious of what a singular expertise and a singular character Lucifer was and is, and what number of various things I used to be in a position to do with that one character. The range that he allowed me, as a performer, is one thing that I’m actually going to overlook. I believe I nonetheless do it occasionally now, and my youngsters will inform you that I undoubtedly do it, however I slip into Lucifer’s voice rather a lot and can make feedback like Lucifer rather a lot. I don’t know if he’ll ever actually go away me, to be trustworthy, however I do have to quiet him down for my subsequent job, so I can simply put him to 1 facet. Mainly, I have to do one other character fairly quickly simply to assist me exorcise Lucifer from me. Definitely once we’re capturing, Tom and Lucifer are very, very shut to 1 one other, always.

Once you signed on to do that, do you know that it will be a present that would come with each style in a single present, or was that one thing that developed because the seasons went on and the writers discovered what story they wished to inform?

ELLIS: The pilot indicated a couple of issues to me. You’ve gotten to remember that it was a community present when it was in its first incarnation, they usually do prefer to put media pleasant soundbites on these community exhibits about what they’re. I used to be in my head making an attempt to go, what is that this? Is it a procedural? Within the pilot, they arrange the connection between Chloe and Lucifer and the way that may go on, so I knew that may be a spine to what we have been doing, however I additionally felt from the pilot that it wasn’t a present that simply lived as a procedural. That was a component of it, however it actually wasn’t what our present was. I felt like simply calling it a procedural present would really be doing it a disservice.

What I hoped was that we’d tackle the relationships exterior of our investigations and that our characters would proceed to evolve, so we weren’t going again to the identical start line each week, the place everybody gathers round a homicide board and says, “What’s it this week?” I used to be very grateful that we didn’t go in that route. To begin with, there might have been some folks behind the scenes who would have pushed it in that route, simply instinctively as a result of, as I stated, folks have to know what the present it and what it’s going to be. However the fantastic thing about the present is that I really feel prefer it succeeded exterior of that, and it succeeded for not making an attempt to be one factor, or not saying, “We’re this, or we’re that,” however simply by being, actually. Discovering that stability through the years was one thing that was difficult and one thing that I’ve to offer a whole lot of credit score to our writers for. The procedural aspect of the present turned a tool to maneuver our present ahead and provides it momentum every week, in sure areas. However the true coronary heart of the present and the relationships of the present and the serialized nature of the present was the factor that I actually loved about it.

There are such a lot of issues happening, simply on this batch of episodes.

ELLIS: I prefer to name it the Dick van Dyke of TV exhibits. It’s unusual and I’m completely satisfied for that. I’m actually completely satisfied that folks go, “I don’t know what this present is.” I’m like, “Me neither, however I’ve actually loved doing it.” I believe there are a couple of key parts as to why it has labored. I believe that the humor of the present has actually helped it be capable to do all of those various things. If it took itself too severe, I don’t suppose it will be capable to. The humor of Lucifer runs parallel to that as properly. It virtually looks like there’s slightly wink to our viewers every week that goes, “We all know that is foolish, however go along with it.” On the finish of the day, it’s bought actual coronary heart, and that’s what counts and that’s why folks wish to come again and why individuals are so invested in our characters. It’s not like a Scandinavian whodunit homicide factor that goes on for 22 episodes. It’s by no means been that present. The center of the present is the humor of the present, and the characters throughout the present are the explanation folks hold coming again.

When have been you informed how Season 5 would finish? Do you know, from the beginning of the season, what the ending of the season can be, or did you not discover out till later within the season?

ELLIS: I produce on the present as properly, so I used to be totally conscious of the place we have been going with Season 5. You’ve gotten to remember that while we have been nonetheless capturing and proper up in direction of the final a part of our capturing, that was going to be the tip of Lucifer. I knew the place we have been going, and I used to be actually completely satisfied about it and concerning the execution of what we have been doing, after which it was a little bit of a curveball, I’m not going to lie, on the very finish, for Netflix to resolve that they need us to do extra. It didn’t take lengthy for Joe [Henderson] and Ildy [Modrovich] and myself to take a seat down and get our heads round that and suppose, “Effectively, look, we actually like the place we’re going with the tip of this present, so let’s simply attempt to protect that and discover a solution to proceed doing it and take us to that very same ending.” I don’t need folks to imagine that what they see on the display now would have been the tip of Lucifer as a result of it wouldn’t have been. We modified it and tailored it to roll with the punches, because it have been.

Was it simply the final episode of Season 5 that bought modified, or did you need to change some issues even earlier within the season than that?

ELLIS: It was primarily the final episode that modified. There have been a few little story factors that wanted tweaking, alongside the best way. We have been in good stead. We have been on the correct path and on the correct journey. We simply wanted to discover a solution to do what I liken to roadworks in London, the place you’re in your route and, on the final minute, there’s an indication that claims, “Highway closed, diversion,” and it takes you on this little diversion and will get you again to the place you wanted to be. We would have liked to search out that diversion for Season 6. We discovered it and I believe we totally justified it as properly.

The season builds as much as a Lucifer versus Michael showdown — what are the challenges of these two characters being off doing their very own issues for many of those episodes and also you not sharing a whole lot of display time collectively, whereas holding folks eager to see that remaining showdown?

ELLIS: I’ve to offer a whole lot of credit score to our writing staff for frequently holding a number of irons within the fireplace and holding the story going. Clearly, these two characters are going to return face to face, however there are different characters that we have to handle as properly, throughout the present, so we have been in a position to discover different folks’s issues. What’s been nice about this present is that individuals are invested, not simply in Lucifer and Chloe, however the entire different characters as properly. After we do have an episode that takes you in a unique route, like “Daniel Espinoza: Bare and Afraid,” which is considered one of my favourite episodes of Lucifer ever, the viewers is greater than keen to go along with us as a result of we shortly come again to the place we must be, in the primary story. The difficult factor from a performing facet of issues, for me, is that I simply all the time had to consider Michael as a unique character and as a unique individual, and virtually like me as a unique actor. I needed to attempt to hold Michael’s ideas away from what Lucifer’s are, and Lucifer’s ideas away from Michael, and simply play it that method.

I liked the musical episode and the entire songs that you simply included. How surreal was it to do a musical quantity with Debbie Gibson?

ELLIS: It was wonderful. Debbie and I turned mates a couple of years in the past. I did a present known as Rush earlier than Lucifer, and the character of Rush was a Debbie Gibson fan. He identify checked her rather a lot and we used her music rather a lot within the present. She contacted me on Twitter and was grateful that we used her music. We realized we had some mutual mates within the UK, so we simply turned mates on social media. After which, when this musical episode got here up and this half got here up, Joe and Ildy have been scratching their heads about who we might get into play this half. I stated, “I’m mates with Debbie Gibson. I believe she may do that, if I name her.” They usually have been like, “Positive, yeah. You would strive.” And so, I did, and it didn’t take any convincing in any respect. She was like, “Yeah, I’m there.” It was nice. I did have surreal moments in the course of the efficiency of it, the place I used to be like, “I’m on a TV set with Debbie Gibson.” That specific quantity felt essentially the most like being on stage, out of all of the numbers that we did. It felt like essentially the most performative of all of the songs. There have been lights and it felt very dramatic. It was actually enjoyable. The entire expertise of doing the musical episode was a lot enjoyable, and never only for me, for everyone concerned it. Our crew liked it. Individuals have been simply beaming from ear to ear for 10 days, whereas we have been capturing it.

Did you get any enter into the songs that you simply have been performing? Was there something that you simply particularly requested to do?

ELLIS: Yeah, I did, really. Ildy wrote the episode and with the listing of songs that she had already put in, I used to be like, “Oh, my God, these are wonderful. I’m undecided we’re going to get all of them as a result of these are all well-known songs and it’s costly enterprise, doing this tune stuff.” However I used to be really actually thrilled that we just about bought each tune that we wished.

The one tune that I wished to vary, though we weren’t certain about it, however I simply pushed and pushed and pushed on it, and it was primarily due to the cash issue that folks thought we wouldn’t get it, was “Depraved Recreation,” the primary tune. I’ve loved singing that, as a guitar and vocal, for years. Once I first discovered that tune, I’d discovered it considering, “This feels prefer it’s going to be within the present sooner or later. I simply want to search out the correct second for it.” Lo and behold, that second got here up. It wasn’t within the script, initially, however the extra I bought into the script, the extra I assumed, “That is the time,” so I pushed Ildy. She was up for it, however everybody was like, “Oh, we’re by no means going to afford that. We will’t try this.” I stated, “Please simply ask them. Please simply go to the Chris Isaak property, or wherever it’s, and ask.” After which, I bought a name two days later they usually stated, “Hey, they’ve cleared ‘Depraved Recreation.’ We’re doing it.” And I used to be like, “Effectively, there you go.”

Isn’t it humorous? If you happen to don’t ask, you don’t get it. It was good for the storytelling objective. I’ve wished to do a musical episode, however I wished it to be for the correct causes. Simply because different TV exhibits have finished musical episodes isn’t justification for us to do one, but when we might discover justification to do it inside our story, then I used to be all in, and we did. The remaining, as they are saying, is historical past. I believe it’s considered one of our greatest episodes we’ve ever finished.

It’s not within the musical episode, however once you sing “It’s So Laborious to Say Goodbye to Yesterday,” what was it prefer to carry out that?

ELLIS: That was a extremely last-minute factor that occurred. I do know that Jason Ning, who wrote the episode, wished a eulogy tune and there have been a couple of options that got here in. After which, when that got here in they usually stated they wished Lucifer and Ella to sing it, there was a chance there to offer the tune a brand new spin. With that tune, there’s so some ways we might have finished it, however clearly Aimee [Garcia] being Spanish-speaking, and with the character of Dan and Kevin [Alejandro], I assumed it was actually beautiful to make use of the Spanish language inside it. It simply labored actually, very well. The second is what it’s. It’s extremely unhappy and it was extremely heartfelt from everybody that was there, as actors. It didn’t take a whole lot of appearing that day.

It made that second very “Wonderful Grace.”

ELLIS: That was my word on it. “Wonderful Grace” was my suggestion, however they wish to do one thing that was a bit extra modern. So, when that tune got here in, I attempted to give you an association of it that had parts of “Wonderful Grace” and in addition parts of a tune by The Cranberries that I like, known as “No Must Argue,” which simply makes use of an organ. That bought some concepts entering into my head, in order that’s the place the association got here from. It was an infusion of these issues. I’m glad you picked up on “Wonderful Grace.”

As a lot as I like and take into consideration Morgan Freeman once I take into consideration a illustration of God., I believe my love for Dennis Haysbert as God has now surpassed that. Do you suppose that complete God storyline is one which you possibly can have gotten away with, if the present have been nonetheless on Fox?

ELLIS: I’ve by no means considered that, really. I hope so. I’d prefer to suppose so. I wasn’t certain if we’d ever meet Dad. After which, because the present went on, it was like, “Effectively, possibly we are going to get that chance,” I didn’t know what that was going to be like, ought to we’ve that chance. All I can say now’s that it feels so proper that we did it, and it feels so proper that it’s Dennis, and it looks like I can’t think about having finished this present and never visited that a part of the story. A few of the stuff I bought to do with Dennis is a few of my most memorable and favourite moments on Lucifer. Dennis and I change into nice mates exterior of it. There’s a paternal high quality that Dennis has, in my life as Tom, weirdly. He simply has that type of vitality about him. And so, it was a serendipitous second to have Dennis come and play God within the present as a result of our friendship after it’s going to be long-lasting. I can’t await folks to see him as God as a result of I believe simply so good. I don’t suppose I’ve ever seen him get pleasure from himself a lot on the display both.

And you bought to do a duet with him.

ELLIS: That was a lot enjoyable. Once I heard Dennis communicate, I used to be like, “Oh, my God, that’s the place thunder got here from.” He’s bought this rumbling voice and it’s simply unbelievable. He’s a singular specimen, that man.

I additionally love the slow-motion struggle scene that Lucifer and Maze get to staff up on. What was that prefer to shoot? Are there challenges particular to doing a struggle scene when there are such a lot of folks concerned in it?

ELLIS: That was fairly an formidable one as a result of it was principally one shot. What that throws up is that everybody needs to be on their recreation and know what they’re doing. We’ve bought an unbelievable stunt staff at Lucifer they usually’re all the time so ready and keen to offer us the information that we’d like and the prep that we have to do issues like that and pull it off. In that exact occasion, that was rather a lot all the way down to Lesley-Ann Brandt. Lesley-Ann works actually laborious on the struggle scenes and on the choreography of them. That was a better one for me as a result of I principally simply needed to be behind her or simply in entrance of her, flinging folks out of the best way. She had the way more intricate strikes to do. However from the beginning, Lesley-Ann and I’ve been very dedicated to getting higher at doing struggle scenes and bettering our personal expertise as actors. I believe each of us are way more achieved in that space, 5 years into doing it, than once we first began.

What would you say to tease followers of the Lucifer and Chloe relationship, for this batch of episodes?

ELLIS: I might tease them with the truth that, regardless that it looks as if Lucifer has taken his eye off the ball, he hasn’t, and there’s an enormous payoff. There’s rather a lot happening. Mainly, Lucifer has bought ADD. He can’t focus in a single space for too lengthy. He very a lot turns into embroiled in Dad’s presence on earth. There’s a lot historical past there and a lot that he must get out and so many questions he wants answered, however doesn’t wanna ask. All of that stuff turns into a distraction for him. However then, because the story goes on and into the finale, we get what I believe are a few of our most wonderful Lucifer and Chloe moments.

The top of the season goes to depart followers very anxious for Season 6. What are you able to tease to carry them over, till they get to see these episodes?

ELLIS: With Season 5, it looks like our story has gone full circle, however there’s one thing that we haven’t finished but. That’s what I’ll tease about Season 6.

Are you actually completed with the present now? Do you’ve gotten a way of closure that you simply didn’t have earlier than?

ELLIS: There’s undoubtedly a way of closure, for certain, story-wise. When the present was canceled after Season three, a part of the factor was that we hadn’t completed telling the story. Our followers felt that and we felt that at Lucifer. We have been like, “That is solely the interval.” However now, actually, we really feel closure within the story. Within the incarnation of Lucifer that we all know as a TV present, for certain, that’s it. We’ve finished practically 100 episodes of the present. I believe that’s a whole lot of episodes of tv. I come from a rustic the place we don’t do season after season after season after season. A part of the explanation that we don’t try this, I consider, is since you wish to go away your viewers wanting extra. I believe that’s actually vital. If we have been to do three or 4 extra seasons of Lucifer, I believe there can be folks on the market going, “Why are they nonetheless making that present?” whereas now, it simply looks like the correct time. From my standpoint, I’ve performed the identical character for six years. I like being an actor and I like the number of appearing, so I’m able to tackle new challenges, for certain.

Now that the present has completed filming, did you get to take one thing dwelling from the set? Did you’ve gotten your eye on something that you simply lastly bought to depart with?

ELLIS: I had my eye on Lucifer’s Corvette. Sadly, that didn’t work out. The one factor I managed to get was one thing from Lucifer’s penthouse, which was all the time filled with artifacts from his time on Earth and his visits to earth over the millennia. There was one thing in Lucifer’s bed room that’s fairly phallic wanting and has a number of intricate carvings on it. It seems like an elephant tusk, however I can assure you that it isn’t. It’s plastic, in any other case I undoubtedly wouldn’t have taken it dwelling. It’s an intricately carved tusk with what seems just like the tip of a chunk of genitalia on the finish of it. Regardless that that wasn’t closely featured in Lucifer, it was actually closely featured in jokes between takes on Lucifer.

Once you play a personality like this that you simply love and also you change into hooked up sufficient to that you simply stated he’s in all probability by no means going to completely go away you, how laborious is it to search out the subsequent character? How do you method what you wish to do subsequent?

ELLIS: Who is aware of what’s on the market and who is aware of what’s going to seize me, however my preliminary intuition, as Tom, is to go, “Effectively, I really feel like I’ve performed this actually larger-than-life character for six years. He’s a giant character. As a performer, I really feel like I’ve been doing a giant full-on set for six years and I simply wish to do a small acoustic set.” That’s what my instincts are. I’d like to return to the theater, which is the place I began. I like working in comedy, however I skilled as a dramatic actor, in order that’s one thing that I wish to do as properly. I’ve been fortunate sufficient to search out a number of completely different parts of that inside this present. However who is aware of, is the trustworthy reply. Who is aware of what the subsequent operating character I’m going to tackle will probably be, however it can seize me once I learn it. That’s the factor, I by no means know till it finds me.

Do you’ve gotten any concept what you’re going to do subsequent?

ELLIS: I do know what my subsequent job is. I’m doing a film, a rom-com, for Netflix with Gina Rodriguez from Jane the Virgin. It’s known as Gamers. I’m wanting ahead to doing that and dealing with Gina. I’m taking part in a widely known worldwide author and reporter, who she thinks is her good man, however it seems that he in all probability isn’t. That’s my subsequent display job. When it comes to TV characters, I don’t know but. I truthfully don’t know.

What was it like to complete filming this in a really completely different world than once you began this present? You completed throughout a pandemic, with all of those new security protocols. Might you even giggle and cry and hug one another and have a wrap occasion? How bizarre was that?

ELLIS: It was bizarre. There have been so many issues that I used to be resentful about, within the final season. That wasn’t anybody’s fault. It’s simply the best way the world is. I needed to actually cope with that myself, in sure methods, as a result of I felt very unhappy performing in these circumstances and having folks must do their jobs in these circumstances. However then, on the flip facet, I used to be actually grateful that I had a job. I stored saying at work, “I’m actually glad that everyone knows one another as a result of how bizarre would this be, if I didn’t even know what you seemed like beneath that masks and that protect?”

So, I used to be glad that we had our sense of group already. I’m glad that we have been doing it collectively, as a bunch of those who already knew one another. However I felt extremely annoyed, at instances, that it was very creatively troublesome to work in these circumstances. Simply from a human degree, it was very robust as a result of we’re a bunch of people who actually respect and take care of one another at work. I noticed that considered one of my important currencies, as Tom, is that I prefer to hug and I prefer to have contact with folks. I miss with the ability to specific myself in that solution to folks, however we simply needed to cope with it. It was a part of what it was. However I used to be grateful to have a job and I used to be simply astonished that our crew put themselves by way of what they put themselves by way of as a result of they liked being there. That made me wish to come to work every single day.

From the time you have been informed what the ending of the collection can be to what we are going to see on the finish of Season 6, how shut did it really end up?

ELLIS: The overall finish of the present is one thing that Joe and Ildy and I’ve mused about for a few years, really. I believe that we ended up within the place that we all the time wished to finish up. The journey that we took to get there, there have been a few stunning parts, for certain, that I hadn’t counted on, however that’s the character of doing an ongoing TV present. You’re laying the observe down as you’re going, however we did know what our vacation spot was. It simply wasn’t a straight line. There have been a couple of incarnations of the ending of the present, through the years, once we’ve mused about it. However possibly two years in the past, we have been sitting down and speaking about what the tip can be. As a result of we thought Season 5 was going to be the tip, that turned a really related dialog and we have been all considering in the identical route, as to what it needs to be. There was no roadmap for this present, once we first began it, so we needed to work out the start, center and finish of that journey. The rationale folks bought upset was that we ended the journey too early. However we had the posh of understanding that we had the tip of our present to do, so our concern was about doing it correctly and sticking the touchdown. I hope that’s what we’ve finished.


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